tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post6625804502582695140..comments2014-06-24T23:03:08.246-04:00Comments on Great Lessons About Secret Shenanigans: Wednesday by Dad....Glass Familyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08390552125872539987noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-39436286525865254462011-02-03T00:48:36.607-05:002011-02-03T00:48:36.607-05:00btw: hurrah johnny!!btw: hurrah johnny!!Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14460421345383750932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-31335778348440023062011-02-02T21:52:12.991-05:002011-02-02T21:52:12.991-05:00Always happy to be the predictable one :)Always happy to be the predictable one :)Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14460421345383750932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-62369936844389399162011-02-02T18:37:57.490-05:002011-02-02T18:37:57.490-05:00I expected comments like Ruth's first one...I ...I expected comments like Ruth's first one...I should have also expected that we'd get into the more serious side of it... course we (so far) have stayed out of the other articles.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867549638011310066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-33065260912326371422011-02-02T18:35:58.866-05:002011-02-02T18:35:58.866-05:00Yes... the title was intentionally misleading, and...Yes... the title was intentionally misleading, and I intentionally left it that way...Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867549638011310066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-56727474939780116132011-02-02T17:38:46.247-05:002011-02-02T17:38:46.247-05:00I think it would depend on the nature of the "...I think it would depend on the nature of the "spatial element". Babies can judge two groups of large numbers, and determine which is larger, even when the area and density of the objects changes. For example, when they're judging the number of dots of varying size and object density.<br />Now, comparing one object to another, in terms of absolute volume, etc, is where they trip up.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569675562758632011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-44223643887455581832011-02-02T17:31:59.426-05:002011-02-02T17:31:59.426-05:00I was actually kidding with the comment about stud...I was actually kidding with the comment about student loans. As Joseph mentioned, the same abilities have been observed in infants, who have (presumably) never been to college. I'm pretty sure the author of the article was also joking in his title.<br />As to the Piaget point, you're right; throwing in a spatial element would probably confuse the fish quite a bit.Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14460421345383750932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-29475110159360704232011-02-02T17:15:12.797-05:002011-02-02T17:15:12.797-05:00"Babies can do it too...." as long as yo..."Babies can do it too...." as long as you don't throw in Piaget type tricks. Judge more or less when items are one for one of the same size yep very well. More or less of total volume or area is a completely different story.<br /><br />It's just a guess, but I'm betting fish (except maybe savants:) don't quite reach the concrete operational stage.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867549638011310066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-3567072885786185982011-02-02T17:10:04.511-05:002011-02-02T17:10:04.511-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867549638011310066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-48015493713013810702011-02-02T17:05:05.218-05:002011-02-02T17:05:05.218-05:00I agree with Andrew and Joseph.I agree with Andrew and Joseph.Oliviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673710464050726740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-25002396200562327702011-02-02T15:28:50.882-05:002011-02-02T15:28:50.882-05:00Richard...this wasn't intentional payback... b...Richard...this wasn't intentional payback... but it did work out nicely anyway didn't it? :)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867549638011310066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-12397446846473995502011-02-02T15:07:01.800-05:002011-02-02T15:07:01.800-05:00The number judging thing is actually a well-studie...The number judging thing is actually a well-studied subject. Everyone, including peoples without a number system that distinguishes between any numbers more than five, can recognize and evaluate different ratios of numbers quickly. <br /><br />And babies can do it too!Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569675562758632011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-48445044157424467412011-02-02T14:49:44.432-05:002011-02-02T14:49:44.432-05:00dad.... 3/4 of the quotes are about me saying some...dad.... 3/4 of the quotes are about me saying something silly/mean. Is this payback for yesterday? :DRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10908588442621157121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-24172851907447772882011-02-02T14:44:29.593-05:002011-02-02T14:44:29.593-05:00This is totally missing the point. The point of co...This is totally missing the point. The point of college is not just to crunch numbers, but to be able to analyze and convey ideas to others, gain more knowledge in your field, etc. When guppies can, with some guidance from professors of course, undergo research on the capabilities of humans to have the same numerical skills as guppies is when I'll think my money on education ill-spent.<br />Anyway, the article on guppies was pretty awesome.Andrew Glasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01403689405805728830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-44720295651196920992011-02-02T14:03:36.341-05:002011-02-02T14:03:36.341-05:00No reason? There's plenty of reason. You wou...No reason? There's plenty of reason. You wouldn't want to be less educated than your average guppy would you?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867549638011310066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-15756604195251504942011-02-02T13:28:11.402-05:002011-02-02T13:28:11.402-05:00Re: "Fish Handle Numbers," it's nice...Re: "Fish Handle Numbers," it's nice to know I'm going into thousands of dollars of debt for a good reason.Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14460421345383750932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492489491729679099.post-9985687498679785832011-02-02T13:21:11.589-05:002011-02-02T13:21:11.589-05:00I would say "incoherent ramblings" were ...I would say "incoherent ramblings" were exactly what I had in mind when we came up with this blog ideaRuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14460421345383750932noreply@blogger.com